|
Authored by wayneborean on Oct 3, 2013 13:01:05 GMT
semiaccurate.com/2013/09/18/intel-proves-pcs-coming-back/For those of you who have been thinking that Windows 8 is the major issue, well, Intel has been just as bad. Add that to tablets, and it is causing the Desktop to shrink. Since the only place Microsoft has any large success is the desktop! this hurts Microsoft. Since the largest share of Intel Chris goes to Windows systems, this hurts Intel. It is going to be interesting seeing how badly the drops impact them, while Apple is still increasing Desktop sales. Wayne madhatter.ca
|
|
|
Authored by drakaan on Oct 3, 2013 13:41:49 GMT
I just built my first new PC (meaning all new parts) since 1994 this past month. I'm an AMD kinda guy, so I didn't help Intel's bottom line any.
|
|
|
Authored by wayneborean on Oct 3, 2013 14:27:35 GMT
I just built my first new PC (meaning all new parts) since 1994 this past month. I'm an AMD kinda guy, so I didn't help Intel's bottom line any. PC, whether Macs, Linux, Android, Chrome, and even Windows is Microsoft survives! will never go out of use. For a lot of people though a tablet makes far more sense. I know of a number of people who hardly use the PCs that they own, a tablet is just so much more convenient. i also know people who prefer using their phones, but they are all younger than I! with better eyesight Wayne madhatter.ca
|
|
GLaw
Guest
|
Authored by GLaw on Oct 3, 2013 15:53:01 GMT
Well, it seems Dell is firmly attached to IntelEven those new Dell Android tablets are Intel-based and the ones running W8 seem to be on par with the Surfaces or even better than them. Though times for MS.
|
|
|
Authored by wayneborean on Oct 3, 2013 18:45:02 GMT
Firmly at present. You could say that Apple also seems to be firmly attached to Intel. Or HP. But that is today. We don't know what will happen tomorrow, and most firms try to have dual vendors, in case one vendor has issues. Wayne madhatter.ca
|
|
Frenchy
Guest
|
Authored by Frenchy on Oct 4, 2013 0:14:49 GMT
Apple already has its own line of processors, used in its phone and tablets. They are ARM v7 and v8 (in the latest iphone5S) compatible. So, although they are still linked to intel on the desktop/laptop, their mobile offering is already intel free.
The real problem for intel is that we have entered the era of "good enough" computing: most people do NOT need incremental performance upgrade. We have not really changed the way we use computers in the past 5 years and any change has been towards a lighter client, requesting LESS power. This is why people love phone/tablets: because they can do most of what they need.
Really powerful computers will always be needed, but by a shrinking portion of the users. When "good enough" is reached, the top-end vendor is always in trouble, as the smaller (and particularly cheaper) competitors will eat them from below.
|
|
|
Authored by wayneborean on Oct 4, 2013 0:46:45 GMT
Apple already has its own line of processors, used in its phone and tablets. They are ARM v7 and v8 (in the latest iphone5S) compatible. So, although they are still linked to intel on the desktop/laptop, their mobile offering is already intel free. The real problem for intel is that we have entered the era of "good enough" computing: most people do NOT need incremental performance upgrade. We have not really changed the way we use computers in the past 5 years and any change has been towards a lighter client, requesting LESS power. This is why people love phone/tablets: because they can do most of what they need. Really powerful computers will always be needed, but by a shrinking portion of the users. When "good enough" is reached, the top-end vendor is always in trouble, as the smaller (and particularly cheaper) competitors will eat them from below. Several of us have predicted that Apple may go ARM on the desktop. Remember the Universal Binary? They could do it again. Then there's Google Glass. That may really shake things up. Wayne madhatter.ca
|
|
|
Authored by macrorodent on Oct 4, 2013 4:09:29 GMT
Tablets and big-screened phones may well take over the the part of computer usage that is mainly consuming media: browsing web pages, watching Youtube videos and Instagram pictures, playing games.
But a desktop PC with a keyboard and a good display is still needed when you want to create something or enter a lot of data. Obviously the number of people doing that is much smaller than the number of consumers. So the desktop market will shrink but will not disappear. Unfortunately it may mean real PC:s become more expensive, since they are a specialty.
|
|
|
Authored by wayneborean on Oct 4, 2013 15:28:42 GMT
Tablets and big-screened phones may well take over the the part of computer usage that is mainly consuming media: browsing web pages, watching Youtube videos and Instagram pictures, playing games. But a desktop PC with a keyboard and a good display is still needed when you want to create something or enter a lot of data. Obviously the number of people doing that is much smaller than the number of consumers. So the desktop market will shrink but will not disappear. Unfortunately it may mean real PC:s become more expensive, since they are a specialty. I know of a business which has adapted Android tablets as data entry devices, by using the camera as a bar code scanner. Anther business is doing the same thing with a GSM Android mobile phone, transferring the data when in remote locations using the Cellular network. I have a friend who does children's illustrations, and cartoons. Most of her work is done on an iPad. I know a lot of musicians who are using an iPad with Ampitube installed as an effects box. I've meet people who are recording music with iPads (you could do the same thing under Android, but most musicians I know use Apple). i've been writing Horror stories using my iPad and a Bluetooth keyboard. I know a guy who used his cell phone to write a novel. I'm guessing, but I suspect that 95% of what a PC can do, a tablet or Mobile can do as well, if not better. Assume I'm right, and the market for PCs drops to 5% of what it is now. How does this impact Intel? How does it impact Microsoft? How does it impact AMD? How does it impact NVidia? How does it impact Dell? How does it impact HP? How does it impact Apple? How does it impact ARM? How does it impact MIPS? When you try to add all this together, you end up with massive disruption. Even if you change the 5% to 25%, the disruption is still utterly massive. As to PC pricing, I don't think you are right. If prices go up, people buy more tablets. The higher PC prices are, the lower percentage of the computing market PCs retain. PC makers know how this works, and will work to keep prices as low as possible. This will put huge pressure on Microsoft, as Windows is one of the largest Bill of Material costs. Wayne madhatter.ca
|
|
|
Authored by drakaan on Oct 4, 2013 19:05:11 GMT
To be fair, I have never bought a PC from an OEM. If it's not completely upgradeable, then I'm uninterested. I don't have a real choice, as far as phones go, but I don't really consider them long-term devices. I want my PC to live a good 5 years without requiring a hardware upgrade, and there's no tablet that can give me that peace of mind.
|
|
Frenchy
Guest
|
Authored by Frenchy on Oct 5, 2013 1:35:15 GMT
@wayne: Some have seen the tide turn earlier than others. Nvidia has been invested in mobile for years now with their Tegra Line. Their latest offering hit a miss, but Tegra3 was fairly successful. We are still years away from the final decline of the PC, but it will come, unless we can find applications that require the type of power a PC can still yield. And even so, this would only slow down the decline... Intel is in a bind and they know it. They are preparing for it with their Atoms and Android ports. Intel can survive without Microsoft, I'm not sure about the opposite...
|
|
|
Authored by wayneborean on Oct 5, 2013 11:30:50 GMT
@wayne: Some have seen the tide turn earlier than others. Nvidia has been invested in mobile for years now with their Tegra Line. Their latest offering hit a miss, but Tegra3 was fairly successful. We are still years away from the final decline of the PC, but it will come, unless we can find applications that require the type of power a PC can still yield. And even so, this would only slow down the decline... Intel is in a bind and they know it. They are preparing for it with their Atoms and Android ports. Intel can survive without Microsoft, I'm not sure about the opposite... Tegra has been a disaster. Try to find Tegra devices on store shelves... In fact there are rumors that the SEC will be investigating NVidia, the implication being that the company lied to investors about the Tegra line of processors. Wayne madhatter.ca
|
|
|
Authored by macrorodent on Oct 7, 2013 4:43:41 GMT
|
|
teacup
Guest
|
Authored by teacup on Oct 7, 2013 5:12:03 GMT
Hardware wise my phone is sufficient to take over a lot of what I use a PC for, but hardly everything. Software wise it has several shortcomings, such as zero printer support.
|
|
Bubba
Guest
|
Authored by Bubba on Oct 7, 2013 13:26:30 GMT
There will always be a need for a "real" PC in the market. Yes, some musicians are recording with their iPad/Android hardware, but true multi-channel heavy recording (for the foreseeable future) will require heavier hardware (be it Mac, Linux, or Windows). CAD/CAM/FEA (engineering software) will require simply raw power that tablets and phones cannot do. The niche market will always be there.
If the market falls enough, the cost of the "PC" (doesn't matter which type) will rise - because fewer vendors will stay in the market, and therefore supply will drop. Mass scaling for price reductions only work if the mass scaling continues.
|
|