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Authored by spacelifeform on Oct 2, 2013 0:53:30 GMT
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Authored by wayneborean on Oct 2, 2013 13:05:47 GMT
Ouch. That's an enormous mess. It also calls into question the earlier convictions. Were they properly achieved? Wayne madhatter.ca
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swmech
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Authored by swmech on Oct 2, 2013 19:36:04 GMT
Frankly, that sounds more to me like somebody trying to blame the computer for their own horrible data handling practices (accidentally - or intentionally... - deleting files, hitting "Reply All" instead of "Reply," not keeping backups, etc, etc, etc...).
<shrug>
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Authored by wol on Oct 3, 2013 7:25:57 GMT
Frankly, that sounds more to me like somebody trying to blame the computer for their own horrible data handling practices (accidentally - or intentionally... - deleting files, hitting "Reply All" instead of "Reply," not keeping backups, etc, etc, etc...). <shrug> Sorry, but that shows you clearly haven't read the article. THOUSANDS??? of confidential emails (ie no chance of "reply all" sending to a wrong recipient) ending up in the wrong hands! I don't understand the gigs of files disappearing, however, unless the spooks hacked the lawyers' corporate server and did a crap job of covering their tracks. Unless of course, the files were on the lawyers' laptops and not backed up to corporate HQ. But how come ?experienced? lawyers can make such an f-up on just one case? Cheers, Wol
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Authored by swmech on Oct 4, 2013 20:15:32 GMT
I did read the article. I found it to be a heavily biased, highly opinionated opinion piece (like what's coming out of BOTH sides, before you draw any conclusions about me...) that was lacking in verifiable facts.
I'm a software dev, and I've put in my time in both admin and support roles as well. I've come to the conclusion that a significant percentage of computer users are idiots when it comes to data handling, based on some of the support work that I've had to do (and dev work that I have to do myself). I hear almost every day about how people's email goes to the wrong place and how critical files magically disappear. The fact is that computers are deterministic machines (barring things like multi-threading bugs, etc), and the *HUGE* majority of such stories are caused by the users themselves.
This is very much a "potato/potahto" situation. For whatever reason you feel that there's some sort of conspiracy. Based on past experiences (and my opinions regarding most attorneys...) I tend to chalk it up to user error, until something a little more verifiable comes around.
Again - <shrug>.
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Authored by wol on Oct 5, 2013 14:45:52 GMT
I'm a software dev, and I've put in my time in both admin and support roles as well. I've come to the conclusion that a significant percentage of computer users are idiots when it comes to data handling, based on some of the support work that I've had to do (and dev work that I have to do myself). I hear almost every day about how people's email goes to the wrong place and how critical files magically disappear. The fact is that computers are deterministic machines (barring things like multi-threading bugs, etc), and the *HUGE* majority of such stories are caused by the users themselves. I'd agree with you about users - I've done both admin and support too, and the number of users who mess things up right royally has to be seen to be believed. BUT. *IF* the reported facts are accurate, I just find it impossible to believe it was finger-trouble by the users ... Please explain to me how even ONE confidential email can accidentally be diverted to somebody who should NEVER have been on the To/CC/BCC lines. Yes I know, auto-complete ... but a problem of the magnitude described in the article is just beyond the bounds of probability. (Oh, and I have on one occasion successfully debugged a case of disappearing files :-) The mainframe I was working on had a FORTRAN compiler which allowed you to declare files as temporary when you opened them. Unfortunately, this status stuck with file descriptor through a close/re-open, so if you declared the first file as temporary, then re-used the descriptor to open a permanent file, the permanent file would disappear too when you closed it!) Cheers, Wol
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