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Authored by drakaan on Aug 21, 2013 12:36:57 GMT
Looking for some input from those who are here so far.
Should we mirror the structure and content of Groklaw's history/documentation sections here? Should we just provide a place for updates on active litigation?
We have a place to discuss what to do next, which is great, but beginning to actually do it would be better and won't be possible without buy-in and agreement from folks who care.
What do you think?
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Authored by ukjayb on Aug 21, 2013 13:00:14 GMT
I think the first thing we need is writers. PJ took on this major role in the original groklaw with a lot of help from others. But we need someone(s) that knows what to do once we have the information gathered.
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Authored by drakaan on Aug 21, 2013 13:27:07 GMT
Agreed, and by that, you're really saying we need a decent paralegal that can write. I doubt we're lacking people with technical chops, but we probably have less depth in terms of legal analysis.
How about a collaborative forum of volunteer writers where articles get promoted to public articles based on a poll of select contributors?
The hard part would be deciding who gets a vote without letting trolls or turfers to subvert things and without excluding too many legitimately interested members.
Let's say I'm a volunteer writer. I write a proposed article (the first post in a thread). You are another volunteer writer and you give me some proposed amendments. A third writer offers some additional material.
The original writer revises the initial text (the first post in the thread) with agreed-upon changes and adds a poll for voting members to decide whether to promote the article to be a public article (and give feedback, do corrections, etc), and after a predetermined amount of time (3 hours? a day?) we count the votes and if a certain percentage (51%?) think it should be promoted, then it becomes an article.
I see news as less formal than articles (and necessarily so, since timeliness is often paramount with news items), so maybe that just needs a moderator's approval?
We need somebody (or several somebodies) to chime in and say "I'm a person with legal expertise and I can help with analysis".
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celtic_hackr
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Authored by celtic_hackr on Aug 21, 2013 14:14:26 GMT
Celtic_hackr here. A longtime registered Groklaw follower (and longer still as an anon_coward). Haven't read all the Terms of Service here yet. (tldr) I like PJ value my privacy. Not obviously as much as PJ. A sad day. I'm not ready to give up Groklaw yet, But agree we need to keep tracking these legal issues. A Suggestion: create forum folders for the active cases, where people can drop visits or notices, etc.
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jmc
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Authored by jmc on Aug 21, 2013 14:24:58 GMT
I agree with creating folders for each of the active cases.
Thinks: Do we want to download and archive stuff from GL before it disappears? If so where?
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Authored by ukjayb on Aug 21, 2013 14:36:17 GMT
I agree with creating folders for each of the active cases. Thinks: Do we want to download and archive stuff from GL before it disappears? If so where? I started a "Cases" category only visible to moderators at the moment until i get input from others on how it should be laid out. As far as archiving stuff from GL, i agree it should be preserved but also do not know where or how. I have some spare hard drive space (currently not redundant) and would be willing to help save off some of it if needed until we can find a more permanent home. (For the record. It sucks talking like Gorklaw is no more. I hope this is only a temporary solution. But it would be worse to absolutely treat this as temporary and end up losing everything by lack of action)
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Authored by ukjayb on Aug 21, 2013 16:28:58 GMT
I was just looking at the "Newspicks" board and thinking about how that and "Off Topic" could get so out of control. We could sometimes end up with 10-15 threads a week if we keep creating new threads for each. This is only day 1 and there are already 5 threads. Should we rethink how those boards are organized or do you think this will not be a problem?
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Authored by drakaan on Aug 21, 2013 17:15:59 GMT
I think that 10-15 threads a week for newspicks sounds about right. That jibes with the number of news stories I remember seeing on Groklaw for a given week. Being able to discuss them individually is a nice bonus.
Off Topic is actually better than the way it works on Groklaw, because you don't have off-topic conversation attached to an article about something specific (and if you do, you can move it to the off-topic board).
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kuroshima
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Authored by kuroshima on Aug 21, 2013 17:21:28 GMT
My experience is that message boards require a critical mass of comments before they are self sustaining. Groklaw didn't have any such requirement because it lived and breathed on PJ's and collaborators' articles, and the newspicks were another source of new activity. For those new to message boards, having new thread pop up in bursts is healthy. A nascent forum is a fragile thing, and it's VERY VERY easy for it to be stillborn, never reaching critical mass.
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Admin
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Authored by Admin on Aug 21, 2013 19:48:30 GMT
My experience is that message boards require a critical mass of comments before they are self sustaining. Groklaw didn't have any such requirement because it lived and breathed on PJ's and collaborators' articles, and the newspicks were another source of new activity. For those new to message boards, having new thread pop up in bursts is healthy. A nascent forum is a fragile thing, and it's VERY VERY easy for it to be stillborn, never reaching critical mass. I agree totally. We could easily have someone come up with a better way to organize the community and we would all migrate there. I think it's probably too soon to start archiving Groklaw, but not too soon to start looking into how to do it. This forum has the ability to have static pages, so we could archive some of it on another site or something. Google Docs might also be helpful. As a side note, I have removed the ability for moderators to restructure the forums for now, as I realized that having nearly 20 people trying to make boards and sections was going to be... chaotic. I have added a few people to the Curator group, which grants this ability. Anyone who wants it should PM me and I'll give it to you.
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jmc
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Authored by jmc on Aug 22, 2013 20:15:08 GMT
I was thinking that it would be worth having a kind of semi-static "current status" page for the major cases giving a brief summary of the story so far so people just arriving can come up to speed quickly.
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Authored by ukjayb on Aug 22, 2013 20:24:01 GMT
I was thinking that it would be worth having a kind of semi-static "current status" page for the major cases giving a brief summary of the story so far so people just arriving can come up to speed quickly. i like it...
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jmc
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Authored by jmc on Aug 22, 2013 20:33:50 GMT
OK I'll kick one off for SCO v IBM and see what people feel, maybe other people can repeat with the other cases.
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Authored by drakaan on Aug 23, 2013 13:35:55 GMT
I would like to create an "Encryption and Security" board for PGP keys thread, tutorials, how-to's, etc. I will do so this afternoon, unless there is a serious objection.
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Authored by ukjayb on Aug 23, 2013 13:55:34 GMT
I would like to create an "Encryption and Security" board for PGP keys thread, tutorials, how-to's, etc. I will do so this afternoon, unless there is a serious objection. If you need it, i can help this weekend. i have some spare time sunday. just let me know if you need anything in particular
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