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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 18, 2013 17:48:53 GMT
Well, I'm not sure, I totally agree there. There are some who may be unable or uncomfortable contributing under that license, but whose input would still be valuable. The problem is finding the right approach. I think we could set the default license to that. We could also set up a section, an area, where contributors could post and not use that license. We could also allow posters to indicate on a post if they were reserving rights and not posting under the CC license, or using a more restrictive CC license, like the one PJ uses. Then establish a rule that anyone using the site agrees not to archive posts where author have not used the CC license. While, I am a true believer in CC-by-sa, and am one of the Grand-High-Priests of the Temple of Imobef (Information Must Only Be Free), I also understand the mindset of those who cannot and/or will not believe that basic Totem (Truth of the Multiverse). I think we should accommodate those heret... err... guests.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 18, 2013 4:50:56 GMT
We could ask Mark to get some of his students to post analysis. Might be interesting.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 18, 2013 4:40:23 GMT
Well you can criticize the Roman Senate, but they did manage to build a hugely stable system for over 600 years before Caesar, and it continued to function through the Fall of Rome and for another 140 years spanning a total continuous functioning organization for 1300 years. As to being robber barons, they may have been, but the roads they built still work today. Show me one road built by anyone else that has survived in a usable state without replacement for 1700-2700 years. The concrete structures they built are still standing today, and the aqueducts still work 1000+ years later. Robber barons, perhaps, but the rule under the Romans was far better than under many of the European systems (we'll ignore the really inhuman time of the Industrial Revolution).
But anyway, I digress. I would welcome a leader if one steps forward, but we can survive without one.
I think you are overly optimistic of the time investment. But no matter. I'm willing to chip in, where I can. Don't expect much, I have a company to run and books for several companies to maintain, and a family life, with a child in school, whom I also trying to teach several languages and music and art and science. Not to mention a hobby (outside of the legal affairs of "IP"), an occasional furniture building and house remodelling. Which really makes it sound like I busy as all get out, but generally something's got to give, because it's not humanly possible for *me* to keep all this up. Now I need sleep. One can only survive with so much sleep deprivation, and I'm near that point I think.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 17, 2013 15:22:14 GMT
Well, I've booked one, it seems quite a few are booked. A useful feature so as not to duplicate work. It's been some time since I done one of these.
Once, I'm done with it I'll send it to PJ, but would also like to post it here somehow.
It seems 1777 are still left, but several dozen appear booked. Does the 1777 include the booked ones, or just the completed one?
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 17, 2013 15:08:02 GMT
A leader or a team, is there really a difference? The Roman Senate worked as a team for a long time, until Caesar came along and really screwed the whole thing up. Of course the problem with teams is the same problem that always happens. But mostly it's from teams that survive beyond one generation. That and factions developing inside teams. I could be a great leader, except for ... squirrel!
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 17, 2013 15:01:39 GMT
So, has anyone decided where to put COMES documents, besides sending to PJ to be posted on Groklaw?
Near as I can tell the exhibits, remarkably by order of the Iowa Judge, now appear to be PD. It's legal to copy the PDFs and post them on a website.
The transcribed documents on Groklaw, I'm still not certain about. There is no copyright notice except PJs, which is CC-BY-NC-ND*. These aren't user comments. Some were transcribed by PJ. Others by users. PJ, is apparently mad at me and isn't replying to my email (a misunderstanding of an email I'd sent to her). But again she has set in the headers of the page, no-cache, no-follow, no-index.
Based on this I conclude, the transcripts are a PJ article, but I'm no lawyer. Certainly we can save off all the PDFs, and any text version someone creates and shares here. I've only done one or two COMES myself.
Anyway, what came of the idea to do a Google Docs? Again this seems to be a failing of using a forum site. Still, I'd think it shouldn't be hard to create a folder(s) for the docs, and turn off commenting. They'd be searchable, but to have the links to originals mean hosting them here also somehow.
*Of course I see problem here. The ND means no-derivative. That would imply(?) posting the COMES transcriptions in the exact form they are in now? Ugh, copyright law is so broken when it comes to the Internet.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 17, 2013 3:29:10 GMT
Yes, thanks Wayne. That's been my understanding. Groklaw, or any Groklaw 3.0 would be a full-time job for one person to run, as Mark found out. Mark has a full-time job. What is needed is a team. Unfortunately, I would make a good team member, but I'd be willing to help get team up.
Of course Anon, has a good point here. If we could just get people to attend and set up a fund to get the transcripts and such, that would be a huge start. We wouldn't have the analysis and explanation, but we'd at least have the information, and could critique the other reporting, and of course have bantering points. I note we've already done some critiquing of the last news bit.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 15, 2013 14:40:45 GMT
I've been thinking about this for some time. Back in 2011, wow has it been that long, PJ handed over Groklaw to Mark Webbink.The first article Mark posted got a number of, I will say, mean-spirited remarks about how he didn't write as good a PJ.But Mark kept it up, and most people were thankful to Mark for his valuable input.
I don't know why PJ didn't pass Groklaw back to Mark, nor if anyone else sought to have PJ pass it to them. Obviously it would need to be passed to a qualified person, a paralegal or lawyer. Those of us here, who are truly interested in continuing the community, ought to seek out someone or several someone's to take on this job of maintaining Groklaw. Once we have a crew who would be willing to take on this responsibility they should try and get PJ to pass Groklaw to them. If she is unwilling, then we should look to move GroktheLaw to a site where we could duplicate the way Groklaw worked. The easiest way to do that would be to again use Geeklog, rather than freeforums.
That means hosting somewhere, and maintenance costs. I am offering to do the legwork, community insight welcomed, to find a suitable host. I could of course sacrifice one of my own servers for this, but I doubt it could handle the kind of load that a Groklaw replacement would require. (I worry about malicious Groklaw haters who might DDOS the machine). I am reluctant to use my own or someone else's server due to the weakness of using just a single server, rather than a large hosting site which has capabilities to deal with the reality of today's Internet.
I am also willing to contribute the initial expense and time, set up the necessary accounts, and get that site up.
However, I'm not willing to do so, until someone comes forward who is capable of and willing to at least take a lead in the site. It will need to be a legal eagle type of person. Not one of us computer geeks who think we know what the law is. It could be one person or a dozen or more. I would welcome a community of article contributors. I liked seeing the articles by PJ and Mark, the different styles were useful, I thought.
We could also talk about ways to make it better than Groklaw. Constructive ways to make it better. I think, clearly making all the court files FOSS is a pre-req. Articles should still be allowed in by others which are not necessarily Creative Commons. After all there might be valuable opinions offered by experts who aren't willing to open source their copyrighted works. It's I think a reality of the dual nature of our world. I prefer FOSS, but I don't write predominately FOSS code. Most of what I write, I do for my company's clients, and contains trade secrets, etc.
Ideas, suggestions?
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 15, 2013 14:01:43 GMT
Yeah, makes you wonder, why Corel went after big players first rather than smaller ones.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 14, 2013 13:53:56 GMT
She closed the site, she killed the community. The idea that it can be made again by someone else is just wrong. A community is like a person, it cant be cloned. ... You call people who disagree with you a troll. I call it healthy discussion. If people cant talk about whats happened in the past they are doomed to repeat problems and the paths that lead to the death of communities. If a troll is someone who disagrees with others then you must be one by your own definition. If you think causing heated debate is part of being a troll, well the use of the term is considered a flame in a lot of forums. ... A lot of popular FOSS communities survive past the founders leaving. Grokalw should have been given that chance IMHO. Believe what you want, I think it was just wrong what PJ did to the Groklaw community and I doubt anyone could make me feel otherwise. Definition of the word Troll. In particular note, "a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments". But other parts of the definition are relevant also. Arguing over what PJ did in the past, and how bad a person she must be for what she has done is not a healthy discussion. It's at best "sour Grapes", go read some fables and learn. At worst it mean-spirited bullying in absentia. I'm sorry, until you learn what it means to be a troll, I simply won't discuss anything with you. Because it will never result in a healthy debate. I love to debate. Pick a topic worthy of debate and I'll debate you until: your fingers fall off responding to my responses, you bow down before me in humility to my God-like powers of debate, or you just get tired of debating me. But this thread is about "reproducing Groklaw comments", not "What a terrible post deleting, FOSS community letting-down, worthless hack PJ is" thread. I defend PJ, only because, I don't like Bullies with grudges, and you and the AC are acting just like every cowardly bully, I've ever known. So yes, I will bend over backwards defending her from bullies, But, I'm done with you and this "healthy discussion". I should have never fed you, but it's too late, except to delete the off-topic threads. Which if I had the power, I'd do. Live up to your moniker, Guy Fawkes was a man of honor above all things else. As far as your response, you say a community can't be cloned. Wow. So there's only one Linux distribution is there? Nobody cloned the X development? Your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me, Darth.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 14, 2013 2:49:44 GMT
Ah, so that's what you were talking about. Yeah phones aren't all that important. Not a lot of work gets done on them. Still lots of money to be made there, from a consumerism perspective.
Tablets though. Yeah, there may be a future there. PC sales are shrinking, but not gone. Although, as convertible tablets take off and the prices come down. We may see those take over in the office. now we have dual boot Android/Windows convertible tablets. That's going to be interesting. I expect MS will want to kill off that breed.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 14, 2013 2:20:16 GMT
Guy,
I've been on Groklaw since the beginning. I remember All Paradox. I may be severely ADD and absent-minded, but I remember him. The problem with making accusations and saying you know this and you know that, is you may or may not have all the facts. Unless you've hacked into PJ and All Paradox's emails you don't know what transpired between them. You don't know whether All Paradox was pretending to be someone, and actually was someone else. You don't know whether he had only one account from one IP or several. Unless you're some kind of Internet God, you don't know if you know all there is to know or not.
Yes, PJ has called Groklaw a community many times and thanked us many times. She's admitted that she couldn't have done it without us. None of that changes the fact she started it with her time and her own money and it became a full-time job for her. Now she's stopped. She's left Groklaw up, she could have taken it all down. It's hers.
As to the unwritten rule about making her look bad or questioning some ideal of hers, you obviously haven't read all my posts. I don't drink cool-aid. But, I give her the benefit of the doubt. You can say he was banned because All Paradox asked the wrong question. But that may not have been all there was to it. Perhaps PJ kept some of it to herself. I don't know, and I'm not going to judge her. It's not my place to pass judgement on her. Are you so righteous, that you've never done anything wrong, or petty?
I don't see it the way you do. The FOSS community hasn't lost anything except PJ, she set up the model, released her articles to the community. You have every right to start your own blog and blog on the patent cases and SCO and bring the community to you. She doesn't feel comfortable doing it anymore. Go lead, or follow someone, but trolling around here being negative and picking on someone who isn't here to defend herself does nothing to further the community. So that which drains the energy of conversation is a troll. Hence I called it what it was trolling. At least learn about what you're speaking of. I'm not going to continue to feed trolls and troll supporting content. I have better things to do than argue stupid nonsense points that do nothing to further Groklaw, GroktheLaw or FOSS.
I'd like to say if you were truly FOSS spirited you'd understand this, but I've been in the FOSS community too long, and know there are lots of intentional and unintentional trolls in the community. you may not think of it as trolling, but it is. You of course won't agree, because well you're too close to it maybe. Or simply don't understand what a drain you and others spouting all the negativity are being, or any number of a thousand other reasons.
Yes, I defend PJ, because it's her site, and her rules, and her choice. Others stayed and contributed, because they chose to, and it became greater than it would have otherwise been. It's as simple as that. I don't have to agree with PJ or everything she's done to support her in doing what she chooses to do with her site. And if you ever choose to lead, rather than tear down, and create your own site and it draws a crowd of users, I'll support your right to do as you please with your site. Why? Simple. It's the right thing to do. I always try to do that which is right. Not because it's written in some religious text (before you go thinking this is some religious post), but because it's written in my moral code.
Celtic_hacker Pastafarian? Maybe. All Hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 13, 2013 17:58:18 GMT
I wont contribute to Groklaw anymore. So says the AC. I'm not going to repeat the rest of that rant. But it's obvious now that the haters can't bug PJ anymore, they need someone to rant to. Or maybe they just want to kill this site while it's still-a-borning. But, he/she/they have a point, any new COMES should be posted here as well as sent to PJ. I'm waiting on PJs ok before downloading the COMES from Groklaw for posting here. She's placed a robots no archive, no follow flag on the whole collection.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 13, 2013 17:33:10 GMT
The end of Moore's law for semiconductors would see a die size of .44nm (twice the diameter of Carbon). That would place the end for semiconductors in 2030. Intel has produced 14 nm CPUs, it was in the news yesterday. I've not seen a prediction of .1nm in 2031. That's not even possible for semiconductors. That's sub-atomic. In 2026 Moore's law is predicting 2nm, not 1. and 1 nm in 2028. Personally, I think Moore's Law will end before that. I'm not confident, they will be able to build VLSI chips below 10nm. Yes, transistors have been made at the 3nm level, but it's one thing to make a single transistor at 3nm, and another to pack millions of them at that density. Also, it should be noted that the University of Manchester has produced 1nm Carbon transistors. Of course, after semiconductors we will attempt to make particle and quantum "chips". But that's an entirely different technology. The Photolithography method currently used will end with either 1nm or Carbon nanotubes/rings (if I am wrong about my theory on the large scale, high density sub-10nm issue). I'm not sure what process was used to make the Carbon transistors. Hmm, I could experiment with this. I could build a laser. I wonder if I could build one with a 1 nanometer aperture? Well at least I only need wait two or three years to see if my 10nm prediction holds water. After 10 years of SCO, this will be a romp in the park. Of course, there is another issue, with transistors at this density, they will be highly susceptible to "glitches" due to abnormal radiation patterns. I'm not sure, I'd want to see these devices in spacecraft. One good Solar Flare or neighboring Super Nova and they're all toast.
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Authored by celtichackr on Sept 13, 2013 16:49:52 GMT
Well here come the trolls. If PJ banned someone it was for good reason. Groklaw, is PJs site. She started the site. She wrote the first article. She paid the bills. She wrote most of the articles. She organied and managed it. She did the hard work of keeping it going. It was hers to do with as she pleases.
If I get people to help be build a barn on my property, that barn doesn't become the property of the "community" that helped me build it. In many places a community gets together to do "barn buildings", where they all pitch in and help a person get a barn done in a day. In the end the barn still belongs to the person on whose land it resides. So just go away with your stupid twisting to your own ends, about how it became something greater, and because of that it was no longer hers. Bologna!
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